CEN/TC304/WG2 N7xx
Date: 1997-09-16
1. Opening of the meeting
(Convener: Michael Everson)
2. Roll call of delegates
CA Umamaheswaran (observer)
DK Keld Simonsen
FI Erkki Kolehmainen
GR Evangelos Melagrakis
IE Michael Everson
IS Žorgeir Siguršsson
IS Žorvaršur Kįri Ólafsson
LV Imants Métra (observer)
NO Trond Trosterud
PL Maria Bylica (observer)
SE Karl-Ivar Larsson
SE Monica Ståhl
SE Wolf Arfvidson
UK John Clews
US Arnold Winkler (observer)
Euro discussions
The meeting did not start according to the proposed agenda, as it was
decided to allow room for discussion on TC304's contract with the
EU-commission.
The delegates were welcomed by the chairman of TC304, Wolf Arfvidson, who started by giving a speech on TC304 and recent development in its workplan. He said that funding had long been a problem for the operation of TC304, but said that it now seemed likely that most of our projects would be funded by the European Commission. In order to get funding, TC304 had prepared a business plan and the document 6666R gave the latest overview of our plans. He said that TC304 now had a good change of getting 750 kECU to support this plan, but at least 33% of it would not be allocated until next year.
Wolf said that the preparation for all of this, had been done mostly in-between meetings of TC304, through a business planning group that had built up a project organization. Žorvaršur were the project leader and Chris Makenson a deputy project leader. The project had been revised several times, before it was approved by the EPIC committee. Now it needed better documentation, especially better justifications. The funding will go from the EU commission, through CEN to STRĶ which will sign contracts with the parties involved. Payment will be delayed until each project has been approved. He said that it was still open who was going to do what, but the business group had already proposed names of editors. These editors would in most cases do their work in Working Groups. He then went on talking about a necessary quality assurance for the work items and asked Žorvarš to explain the procedure for these.
Žorvaršur Kįri Ólafsson said that the best way to handle quality assurance would be in the Working Groups of TC304 and he preferred not to set up a new structure to handle it. He said that TC304 could take advantage of new ideas of a CEN workshop system which could mean that more people would attend its meetings. He also stated that Working Groups could take part in the quality assurance and review process by appointing reviewers. The task of reviewing would be slightly funded, but not as much as the post of editorship. A quality manager would coordinate the task of reviewing.
Žorvaršur talked of the project items, said that the commission had requested that the standardization of the EURO be added on the list. The commission had also asked for justifications for each project, and because some of the work had been delayed, we would have to set new priorities. Several of the 27 projects on the list had been worked on for several years, but the process had been too slow.
Wolf added information on other ways to fund the work and talked of a EU call on standardization with multilingual society aspects to it. These were 50% funded and could support work on standardization.
Keld Simonsen and Evangelos Melagrakis asked for more details on this that Wolf supplied.
Erkki Kolehmainen started a discussion on what it meant to sign a contract with the EU commission and said it could mean that TC304 would be more than ever in the hands of the commission.
Žorvaršur remarked to this, that according to the proposed contract it was clear that the commission was supporting the work as done by CEN procedures which meant that the EU commission could not directly intervene.
This led to further discussion (Monica Stahl, Keld Simonsen, Michael Everson, Evangelos Melagrakis) on how to avoid that the CEN procedures, made it impossible to deliver what the Commission was paying for. Example was taken of an EN that was supposed to be a deliverable but France and Germany might vote down.
Evangelos said that it was clear that the Commission could intervene. He said that there had been examples of this before. This time it will be stronger as it paying and it is only normal that its influence will be felt. He said he could give examples of other TC-s that had been in similar situation.
Erkki said that his intention by bringing this up was that people should realize and think of it. He added that he had heard that it was the general feeling that the most affected TC in CEN by new CEN workshop procedures (in the document The Way Forward) would be TC304. He said that if we were not responsive we would be in deep trouble. He said we should start thinking of moving, even if we could take no decisions now, because there was no workshop structure in place.
Wolf Arfvidson mentioned the EURO-workshop. He said it showed that TC304 had already shown responsiveness.
Žorgeir Siguršsson had a comment on the problem with deliverables and said we must focus on results rather than a given deliverable.
Keld said it would be easy, just to change the name of the Work Groups as they were already open to anyone.
John Clews said this should be brought up later when we had seen the workshop procedures.
Erkki said there was another aspect to the new CEN ideas. He said everything did not have to be a formal standard, with formal approval, and he said that there was much demand for new types of standard work. The commission must recognize these less formal deliverables.
Wolf commented and said that according to the proposed contract, there were already other deliverables. He added that if we did not make standards we had to find ways to make those other deliverables available.
John added comment on scanning ISO and CEN work-items to find good things.
Trond Trosterud remarked on the Workshop ideas put forward in document The Way Forward and said that it contained many good, but meaningless words. The word "Workshop" was nevertheless defined and we could not define it ourselves. It meant that this Work Group was not a workshop as it did not have users, industry, etc. involved as required. The outcome of a workshop could however be anything as it was not defined. He said the Workshop model was meant to produce this outcome faster.
Wolf pointed out that a Workshop did not need to be held in one session. There could be a series of meetings, with the first meeting organizing the others.
Michael warned that this meant that the product of a workshop could be a combination of procedures and the products themselves. He said this might bring us in a trap.
Erkki commented on Tronds input and said that the meaningless, empty words of The Way Forward would not remain empty. He said that there were contributions from national bodies requesting clearer definitions. The reason for change, was a wish to open up CEN standardization as had already been done in ISO. The whole intention was to have all interested bodies present and not just the national bodies. The end result was for the market to get what it needed, but until now many standards had not been there to enhance or help, open markets etc.
This discussion was already becoming longer than intended and Wolf tried to end it. He proposed that it continued via email.
Evangelos said he was beginning to lose track. He said he understood there was a contract with the Commision. We had to honor this contract and organize accordingly. Dates needed to be set and rules on how to organize and administer the work. If CEN organizes itself in a new way we can also do that. But right now we had a special, specific contract that we had to respond to. What we did this year needed discussion and not what the future might bring.
Michael said this must be the concern of the organizers. The rest of us could carry on as before.
Wolf replied on this and said that he and Žorvaršur were the organizers. He said they had few experts but potentially a lot of money! that needed a lot of working days, but he believed it could be handled.
Umamaheswaran reminded the meeting on previous talk in London meeting of justification aspects.
This informal meeting ended at 10:30 and time was given for a coffee break. After the coffee break, the convener of WG2 replaced Wolf in the chair and the meeting was set according to the original agenda.
3. Selection of chair, secretary, and drafting committee
Michael Everson (chair), Žorgeir Siguršsson (secretary), Michael Everson, Žorgeir Siguršsson, Keld Simonsen (drafting committee)
4. Adoption of agenda (N675); identification and allocation of papers relevant to agenda
The agenda was adopted with changes. (Document N689 on voting for EN1922
taken under item 6
5. Adoption of minutes of 12th meeting of WG2 (N674R).
Time was taken to read the minutes of the last meeting. Thorgeir commented
that the next minutes meetings would be different. The minutes were adopted.
6. Reports on action items
Many of the action items had not been carried out and many experts had
complaints about this. They complained that they did not know what actions
they should have taken as they had not see the acton list in time. There was
more discussion on this than on the action items themselves.
Evangelos asked that the draft minutes with action items was sent out earlier. He said he he could not act on his single action item that was mailed to him just befor the Crete meeting. - Please try to send out draft minutes and action items sooner.
Michael responded, and said that the minutes had been on his homepage, and free for anyone to read.
Erkki suggested that action items were distributed seperately and sooner than the minutes.
Karl- Ivar said that he had known that these minutes were on Michael's homepage, others might not. He asked if it was possilbe to send out an email to everyone at the same time Michael put the minutes on Web. - We do not all go browsing for information.
John Clews and Erkki suggested that action items be sent out, week after a meeting. Keld remarked that this had sometimes been done.
Žorgeir said the secretariat should not be babysitting the experts, they had themselves to have some responsibility for carrying out actions they had agreed to, in meetings.
Wolf remarked that the organization of action was not only the concern of this Working Group.
The experts then went through the action list. Umamaheswaran said the action items should have dates attachad to them.
Evangelos remarked that much of the work seemed to be on the shoulders of Michael and Keld.
John Clews said that many of the action items, were things that - you do naturally and are not needed on this list.
Umamaheswaran iterated that dates were needed.
John Clews said it was very difficult to go through this list. It should be grouped by projects to make it readable. It was impossible to attach dates to the actions if they were not seen as a part of a project.
Evangelos came with a similar remark and said the intention must be to accelerate the work.
Some action items got more attention than others. EUROo items were among the most disussed:
Action 9701-10 on all national bodies to find out whether to use EURO or ECU and then which symbol, was commented on by Winkler. Who said that these two were different and should not be mixed together. Monica from Sweden told of a questionary on Swedish keyboard layout and about a very few positive responses it had received on having a seperate, visible EURO key.
Žorgeir commented on this and said that in the Swedish questionary the question had been phrased in a very negative way, that asked for a negative response. He said that in informal inquire in Iceland (email list), he had not received negative responses as people seemed to think of it as a matter of course that the EURO had the same status as the dollar sign.
Žorvaršur said that actions on national bodies to provide national input on EURO needed to be a resolution, with a document attacthed to it. He told of a full Icelandic standard that had been issued on the Icelandic keyboard and things related to Icelands Cultural Registry.
The action item on Michael to add the EURO into the ISO10646 received some attention. Umamaheswaran who had carried this action, said he appreciated the support of TC304 and help in having this done.
An action item on registrating EU in 3166 as a country code received some attention. Michael said he had found out this was not possible. The discussion on this was concentrated on how to make it possible to register entities such as NATO, UN, EU, continents and AA for Arabic countries. Some discussion by John Clews and Umamaheswaran on whether this was an ISO problem (T46) or a CEN problem. Žorvaršur read out an action item from the London meeting on trying to register EY and EYR for the EU+EFTA. Discussion on sending letters to T46 with help of John Clews and the TC304 secretariat.
An action was put on Michael to contact Yves Neuvill to provide document on international work on keyboards
Erkki ciriticized Michael for not having provided an outline of a keyboard report. He said he could not discuss keyboards without an outline. Keld remarked that this was because of lack of resources.
Erkki responded and said that he needed an outline. If an assigned editor cannot provide an outline of a report in one and a half year, it means he has not been doing anything expect allocate this project to himself.
Michael noted that the WG had allocated the project.
John Clews said that if it was of any help, he was interested in this report. Monica pointed out that the keyboard issue was a special item on the agenda under 7.7.
After lunch Johan Van Wingen joined the meeting and Arnold Winkler came with the request that any EURO-related items be moved forward on the agenda, as it was of general interest to everyone and he could not be with us for more that two hours.
Michael accepted this and discussion was taken up again on many of the same issues raised in the earlier informal morning meeting (where Winkler was not present) and in the EURO workshop. Michael gave a overview, he said that the original proposal was to use the ECU in 10646 but this had not been advicable. The proposal that hat now been accepted by ISO in 10646 and put forward as a FPDAM - will mean that it will be in the standard in 10 months.
Keld objected to repeating this information that he said everybody knew.
Keld related items that he believed concerned the EURO and this Workgroup. He said that in some countries there would be two currencies for some time. People will both be able to pay both Franks and in Euro. - You will have to display any amount in two currencies. This was brought up in an ISO workgroup on i18n. This is culturaly dependent. We should have a way to specify that there are two concurrant currencies.
Michael asked if prices had to be displayed in two currencies - and what about pricing stickers?
Wolf said he thought Sweden would not do it that way. Electronically both type of currencies would exist but the time for two currencies in use was far away.
Keld said we needed to have API-s that can handle two currencies and suggested a new work-item on that.
Erkki commented that the need for a Eurosymbol what really be felt when two prices had to be specified.
Evangelos stated that the Euro coin and currencies were already in existence. He believed things could be bought with this currency already now.
Karl-Ivar said that this committee must expect that there will be the requirement of displaying two currencies.
Umamaheswaran informed the meeting of actual dates and procedures for the introduction of the EURO. He said that two currencu aplications already existed in commerce dealings between two countries. He raised the question again on the need to know where the EURO sign would be used.
Arnold Winkler confirmed the information from Umamaheswaran. He talked about COBOL, the most common programming language in banks that that could only handle one currency. He said there was a new version of it out but not in commoun use.
Johan Van Wingen entered the conversation and said that up til now he had not wanted to discuss the EURO. He said that the three letter code for currencies was in increased use and that all transactions used them. He said he believed that the discussion of the EURO sign might be a balloon that might prick. He said the question of who would have the need for an EURO sign was an important one and needed to be addresed.
Keld said that things like where the EURO-sign in amounts should be placed needed to be specified. - Should the amount come before, after or inside the number.
Michael wanted to take these issues under agenda-item "locales".
Karl- Ivar objected to the discussion taking programming languages (COBOL) under the issues that concerned this WG.
Erkki said that even if the EURO sign was not going to be used instead of the three letter code in banking there were other uses for it such as in displaying amounts, in text processing, catalouges and advertising.
Arnold Winkler added that the EU-commision was requesting that the EURO-sing be visible on keyboards.
Michael asked where this information came from.
Arnold Winkler said he had evidence for this and could provide an email to the group about thsi the next monday. He did not want this email to enter public circulation.
John Clews said that mail order businesses might want a currency symbol.
Umamaheswaran tried to organize the discussion on the EURO and said there was a need for more information. We needed to know whether and where the EURO is going to be required, at least within EU. Secondly we needed information on national currencies and the EUU. There seems that in some applications we have to deal with two curreencies. In some cases they are already. The requirement for two currencies will only be for three years. He gave his answer to Keld's question on how to display the the EURO and said it must have two deimal digits but it will be culturally dependent on where the sign will go.
Uma listed three items that needed attention:
Johan Van Wingen said that the situation was far worse than he had thought. - The EU-commsion is not satisfied with the year 2000 problem.
Michael asked Johan if he could supply contacts in Netherlands who were intrested in the EURO and wanting to follow our discussing.
Michael next intók upp mešmęli vinnuhóps...frį EURO workshop discussed what it meant... questionnaire... asked about the Swedish questionnaire and its ...
Trond that the secretariat should do the actions.
Umamaheswaran From what kind of communities... Who will be really be using this retail busines, office users. (spreadsheets)
Keld supported Trond's suggestion...
Action on Keld....Dual display of monetary amounts specification and handling...
Two web Eu.int
web ci.uk bank of England. Long
Winkler to send these web sites in email Erkki consumer requirement in Ice.. Neytendasamtök I Erkki will give us a document CT18
We should not look for..we don't have evidence for the requirement yet...
Umamahewswaran Action that the Microsoft keyboard suggestion..
Sense of urgency...
7.3. Project 11. Natural Languages.
Project is ongoing... on time.
Žorvaršur objected to that and said.. TC approval in October ... that means that the project is late.
Žorvaršur had a new general comment on a reviewer on each project.
Erkki. Industry or Eu og participants pay... This is not industry interest project.
Umamaheswaran Secratary could invite national bodies to appoint reviewer.
Žorvaršur.. I was asking for Working group suggestions. on reviewer. STRI
will hire...
7.6. Project 21. National specifications of cultural conventions.
Michael... National bodies to find experts.
action on the secretary to find Czech experts..
Keld told that he info on UK and some ...
Keld wanted to know if member bodies could supply something on the cultural
registry.
Erkki: Finland will supply, cultural registry, Action on Finland to send us this. Denmark has sent, what about Sweden : they don't know when. Norway will find out what has been happening.
Michael asked for how many languages.
Finland will before 12 August have made it with work. Actions date defaults
Umamaheswaran asked about if we had . contacts in any country.
UK did not know who was their contact. Lots of countries are not responding to this. I am not even
Umamaheswaran: Alain LaBonté can give you information on Canadian POSIX locale. action on me/Michael to find Cultural DIN contact.
Winkler asked finally on keyboards. .. Clews did not want the EURO engraved, disucssion on that...
7.1. Project 2.1: Registration of Cultural Elements.
7.1 On Danish standard. made out of his work. Keld came with lots of
proposal among them that EN instead of ISA avoid parallel voting. Just a
recently releaad on CD ballot. backword compattibl with posic, tansliteration.
Žorvaršur asked about an issue list..
Erkki wanted either a paper or to allow discussion on each point along.
Evengelos. We had a meeting on this issue in Greece. The whole thing is confusing us. First we started producing ENV because there was no international work. Then we decided to make it an international standard. In order to go on with any decission. We should be certain is implementted an dnot an exercise of experts implemented, somew Our national commtitee voted in favor of theis standard, but the next spts are confusing, If this standard is not implementie3d and the market shows that it is need. We should wait at least 2 year and then see if it is wise to proceed, dorp o. In the meantime we are proceding. Noew wer are hering confusing infrmation. I do not care for an experts documents. A standard should be a document that will be widely implementeed.. My point is that the focus should be to have the attenteion of the IS obideis. have them register so that the market does has this registrey, and has information that they can use it. And if ISO identifies that ther is need for this then I can understand that we can work in prarlllel... I do not understand moves that ... These are confuseing... we should focus on ther real issue ... get the attention of the internatioal and show we have useful things... Another topic.. they said there should be some clear indication that there is a need . We have a lot of other places where this data is. You have to have a clear indication taht market has a need for this registration. That's my point.
Michael. In general I aggree with most of what E had said. The Luxembourg workshop was the initital reason... the real need is to go for Europe needs. I do not mind work beeing revised.. Keld said there was a CD -ballot that none of has seen and I do not want to discuss it now. Keld has suggested that we did not have parallel vote, because that would be disastrous. Michael said that other things were more important that revision than sugest resolution...
Erkki. I agree with Grikkland. I belive that his cultural registry could be very useful for vendors. I do believe that it has purpos a authorized sourcer for localising vendors.
Keld agrees also with Evangelos... I get information from people that are using the CR and it is in widesperad use today. Before we had the data available. People had said they gave up on internagitoal...
Michael there are informal things that you have had up for year... I like to have a action plan on what to do .... List of languages.. go forward in
Keld and Michael talked about the informal things athat needed...to be put in Keld said we should go for ISO , but .....
John.. Vienna agreement said that work should not be done on ISO and CEN plane. What ...reasons are for having in CEN
Umamaheswaran this work is not done ISO - I know there are some practical problems... but as a vendor I want.. On ISO level it looks better,, there are lots of values in taking it up to ISO standards.. Please make it an ISO standard..
Karl asked questions, like whether it was population it densely
John Clews... 22. I do not see any value in continoueg on ... John Clews said he could help us going
Umamaheswaran complains that nothing is done on something that was ing. Keld was in London asked to taker over posix registry, and asked if progreess was made .
Erkki said that the registry was tottaly useless unless they are densely populated. Other related projects should be cancelled until that happens.
Žorvaršur says. We have a proposal form the editor to change the plan, make a different deliveragle, a european.... Žorvaršur said ISO and CEN had no agreement.
Keld said we need to do some work to upp our standards.. use the opportunity. He thinks there is little work in updating the standard. We would be shooting ourselves in the foot.
Erkki Mircorsofts has not interest in doing the work of doing the work of collectiong the data. If we have ...
Trond: You don't kill a sick patient, make decision. My proposal is to go systematically after the data.
Karl. Agrees with dense, stable, populating...
Michael.. I want population of the registratry and I am not putting it on the agenda the next metting
Michael spurši Keld um ballot
Keld said that through Demark the ENV was applied for to be an ISO standard veriš aš framkvęma _aš sem įtti löngu aš vera gert...
Umamaheswaran Proceed with the Danish standard ...
7.2. Project 2.2 Cultural Elements.
Document 680. Keld talked of a program to do some
things automatically.
Michael was unhappy as your assistant editor I understood that you would finish your program that produced HTML. All of this must to be finished well before the next meeting because I need that to do what I need to do.
Evangelos. The technical report was on data that . .. We should attract the standard to give their local the way they wold like best them .... (ég skil lķtiš af essu). We do not want to provoke ... this project is a follow....
Umamaheswaran gave the documents to an expert, athugasemdir some where errors. Some comments "general user" what is that. There is a third catagorise.. to make more useful, a request for more category, this he can give to the editor
Michael said he wanted a copy as well.
UM OK
Michael said: We are making progress we need not say more
7.4. Project 17. European default locale.
The only outstanding problem is the name EU for it.
Comments in previous documents also applies to this one.
All the NB have agreed to the formating for decimal/period...
What should the default be. Where it will be used? in EU offices /Efta
Umamaheswaran Default locale that is nowhere used is no need for
Evangelos. We have discussed lot of times. If it is not true.. I remember that using Posing as norm.. Therefore
Is POSIX a normative?
This document should be selfcos.. I MUST BE ABLE TO UNDERstand the contents. I refer to things like the class digits....etc either we point to definition or give an explanation. Some more comments. We say this is version 4.1 where are the other versions?
For the European default, it should be something made by TC304 (missing?)
1. POSIX should be normative or informative??
2. Selfcontained.
Why do we need a ENV and not an registration we can?
discussion on this...
Erkki Kolehmainen: The Finns will vote against a normative POSIX ... It has to have a general This would be a perfect candidtate for Workshop agree.
Michael That would help the deliverable. to be something
Umamaheswaran wants to know where it is going to be used? (We are 7.4)
Erkki We must populate the registre
Umamaheswaran Uma complained about Keld's memonics. Use what Vendor want. Got to be explained.
Žorvaršur. About the deliverable. We noticed EN would get us into trouble when it came to copyright. The document might not be stable enough. We hear of the CEN- workshops a version of it with National body blessing would be favored by me, and I want an issue list form the editor. This goes for all project.
Mikael for yfir hvaša issue vęru nśna uppi į boršum. We need to make a registration, for the commision by Cen or anything. Maby the Workshop agreement We cant make some of this stuff normative
T646 character or ... not some memonicx (but memonics for Greek??)
Michael... las upp issue lista... Žar tók hann eftir EUC og EURO mįlum. - reopened.
Umamaheswaran the only reason we are using t646 /IISO ...
Much discussion that I did not understand on Memonics
Mikal spurši um program to convert between ...
The discussion was an norminative things... It is only registration
Umamaheswaran The content is more than POSIX... What is the purpose of narrative...
Keld We are making a template for whole of Europe. The POSIX is the normative, needs
action is to talk on email, read the document., not an env?
Erkki said it should only be a technical report.
Umamaheswaran The only thing it is a template based on a Template. It is a tool to be able to follow the POSIX,
7.7. Project 22. European Keyboards.
Already discussed iin conjunction with the EURO.
8. Liaison reports
Summariton and issues and. If anything is discussed on email, present us
with summaration...
Action on Mikael to provide summary of problems with POSIX. (suggestion from Umamaheswaran).
Umamaheswaran reminded of the i18n conference and the need to be there for TC304.
10. Next meeting
Next meeting is in Dublin.
Action on the editor to revise the issue list.
11. Adoption of resolutions, action items, and issues list
Res9707-01 WG2 resolves to have no further action on p2.1 until the ISo fast track
ballot has closed.
AI9406-02 Michael Everson to provide fonts for all characters in EES.
AI9511-12 Keld Simonsen to take contact with TC37 on L/11112a (Terminology formats)
AI9609-03 Michael Everson: Convert N339 into narrative form. LT18
AI9609-04 Michael Everson: Provide introductory text for P2.2.
AI9609-06 Michael Everson: Provide a list of languages where data is missing.
AI9609-07 Michael Everson: Provide an alphabetical list of languages in P11, referring
to the family or page.
AI9609-08 Michael Everson: Add a numbering system in the final version of P11.
AI9609-09 John Clews: Find out whether Khakassian is in Europe.
AI9609-16 All editors: Compile issues lists from these minutes. ONGOING
AI9701-01 Žorvaršur Kįri Ólafsson to make sure that the parallel thing happens.
AI9701-02 Keld Simonsen and Michael Everson to finalize the MES registrations.
AI9701-03 Michael Everson to coordinate the Danish registrations.
AI9701-04 Keld Simonsen to provide an internal check list for the locales.
AI9701-05 Keld Simonsen to translate (automatically) the POSIX specs into narrative ones that also will need some editing.
AI9701-06 Keld Simonsen to provide new linked draft narrative +POSIX locales on the web.
AI9701-07 Evangelos Melagrakis to check on languages of Greece.
AI9701-08 Trond Trosterud to check some of the Uralic languages
AI9701-09 Trond Trosterud to get more information about Våmhusmålet.
AI9701-10 Everyone to sort out with their national body whether to use the Euro or ECU and then which symbol.
AI9701-11 Michael Everson to prepare the addition of the new Euro-sign into 10646.
AI9701-12 Keld Simonsen to fix the casing tables.
AI9701-13 Michael Everson to check the casing tables once Keld Simonesn fixes them.
AI9701-14 MBs to find out whether the T should be in the time specification (ISO 8601).
AI9701-15 Michael Everson to check the new version of 3166 and the possibility to register EU.
AI9701-16 Yves Neuville to provide documents on the international work on keyboards.
AI9701-17 Michael Everson to provide an outline of the keyboard report.
AI9705-01 The conveners should send out minutes and action items soon after each
meeting. Action items should be be sent seperately, within a week from a
meeting.
AI9707-02 Action items should be given a date (when completed, default being the next meeting), they should be grouped by projects, to make things clearer and there should not be action items for what can be termed as normal work.
AI9707-03 Žorgeir Siguršsson to write a letter to ISO TC46 on taking up the workitem of
registrating entities such as EU, NATO, EFTA, UN, Arabic countries.
For the next meeting.
AI9707-04 Michael Everson is to write an email to Yves Neuville and get information on
work on international work on keyboards.
AI9707-05 Michael Everson to speed up work on report on keyboards. An outline is needed.
AI9707-06 Arnold Winkler to provide evidence that the EU is requesting the EURO sign to be
visible on keyboards.
AI9707-07 Arnold Winkler to send two URLs on EURO in email to the TC304WG2 e-mail list.
AI9707-08 Žorgeir Siguršsson to check on experts from the Czech Republic, a new CEN member.
AI9707-09 Erkki Kolehmainen to provide Finnish input for cultural registry before 1997-08-18.
AI9707-10 Žorgeir Siguršsson and Michael Everson to prompt Alain LaBonté for Canadian POSIX locale and to find a DIN contact on the matter.
AI9707-11 Editors to provide updated issue lists to make discussion possible.
AI9707-12 Michael Everson to provide a summary of discussion on POSIX date format problems.
AI9707-13 TC304 to be present on JTC1 cultural conference.
12. Closing of meeting